Man me and some of my friends got some heat with certain people LOL!

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=175377
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I'm not going to comment on that but I will comment on the material on this torrent because lilpanda's linear notes while good do not determine when each song was recorded which I'll do for you here:

The tracklist does not run in chronological order so bear with me:

1. Another Lonely Night
2. Don't It Get Weird
3. You're Driving me Crazy
4. She's A Screamer
5. Parade of Loons
6. Makin' Some Noise
7. You Don't Care
8. Don't Bring me Down
9. Save Me
10. Don't Make It Any Easier
11. Lost in Your Eyes
12. Long way From Home 1
13. Long Way From Home 2
14. Once Upon a Time Somewhere
15. Country Girls Run Dry

Track 1 - Is an outtake from TP's solo album

Track 2 - Is from the demo Mudcrutch took with them to Los Angeles.

Track 3 - I need to double check this with a friend I'll get back to you asap

Track 4 - Is an outtake from sessions at Shelter Church Studios

Track 5 - Is a demo from 1978 - There is also apparently a studio outtake of this song from the "You're Gonna Get It" era but that doesn't circulate among collectors at this time

Track 6 - Is from the demo Mudcrutch took with them to Los Angeles.

Tracks 7-9 - Are outtakes from the "You're Gonna Get It" LP sessions

Track 10 - Is a Danny Roberts song from sessions at Shelter Church Studios. There is also an alternate version of this where TP sings the middle eight.

Track 11 - Is an outtake from TP's aborted solo album

12 & 13 - One of these is the original Mudcrutch demo while the other one is a remake that most people think is from 1977! - I'm inclined to agree

14 - Is from the demo Mudcrutch took with them to Los Angeles.

15 - Is from a Mudcrutch rehearsal in 1973. It should be noted that the version here slightly differs from the version on the Mudcrutch rehearsal tape. It might be someone's personal dubdown.
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I also wanted to correct some errors in his description regarding "The Petty Files"

First off there are not two volumes but eight - I've been told there will be no future volumes forthcoming after volume eight. Also "Lost In Your Eyes" was in fact on "The Petty Files: Volume 7" as I recall and also SeanGator broadcasted it on GGR hundreds of times throughout the summer of 2006. Its hardly a lost diamond by now in my opinion although an amazing amazing song.

As to why the quality of "lilpanda's" tape may be inferior to whats found on TPF. Simply put, different people have different sources for their material. Some are better than others, in most cases people who have better sounding material usually have been collecting at least since the 80s.

While "lilpanda" notes that his friend has had these collection of Mudcrutch related material since that timeframe, he and everyone else should be aware of there are no less than three different source tapes of the Mudcrutch material each different from each other in both quality and content. To this day not one release of the Mudcrutch material has ever come from one source which is still something that particularly frustrates me.

Anyhow enjoy the material, I got my fingers crossed that it doesn't show up on ebay or Ioffer selling for hundreds of dollars.

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Hey, thanks for posting this.

I'm trying to download it, but it won't download. In fact nothing off of my download list will do so. I'm still kinda new at this stuff,Can anyone help me?

^ What client are you using to download?

I think its called, Azureus, Im not on that computer at the moment, but I think thats what it is.

Good, Azureus is the client I use too so that will help that I am familiar with that program. When you get a chance could you PM me the following info and we'll see if we can get you up and running. My first guess is that your ports aren't open and/or your firewall is blocking the connection so we'll start with that.
Does your computer have a wired or wireless dsl/cable internet connection?
What kind of software firewall are you using? Windows, Norton, etc.
What version of Windows are you running?
Do you have a hardware firewall on your computer? (router)

We'll start with those basics.

Thanks for the run down there JohnMill. It's a nice little set. And I'll have to admit, you were the first person that came to mind when reading lilpanda's comments. LOL

LOL! hope you enjoy it T-Fest - there is some quality stuff on there if you look hard enough.

As far as panda's (and others') comments go - Um yeah I'll take the hate and spitballs here for the so-called "inner circle" - I actually find their comments kinda cute.

I mean word to the wise: If you are going to hate on someone make sure to hate on someone on the internet since you've never met them and therefore your words likely mean squat to them. Its far better than hating on people you do interact with on a day to day basis be it your spouse, children, co-workers, parents.

In the end what we are talking about are two trading philosophies here - me and my friends have ours and others (such as panda and those on DAD) have theirs - Neither is right nor wrong - they are just opinions of different people. I bear no ill will towards anyone and hope whomever gets to hear this music enjoys it and if anyone has any specific questions regarding the music found in this torrent - feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer those questions...

Happy Holidays

When I grow up I want to be a policeman...Iwazzabadboy

Excuse my language but... Holy moterfucking shit! This is the best thing I've seen on Dime in a long time!

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Originally posted by wilbury:
Excuse my language but... Holy moterfucking shit! This is the best thing I've seen on Dime in a long time!

Your excused

No offense to anyone but some of the "fixes" the guy made to some of the songs are horrible. Save Me literally hurt my ears to listen to.

^ Well he is now claiming that his copy of "Save Me" came from a silver boot (probably "Don't Bring Me Down") and thats why it sounded so bad. I mean it could just be a bad copy but I've heard the "Don't Bring Me Down" boot and while I don't feel its the definitive version of the song (quality-wise I feel the version on "Good Thing Going" is far superior) - I don't think the version on the "Don't Bring Me Down" bootleg sounds like trash either which is what you and "IWazzaBadBoy" are describing the version on his torrent sounds like.
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Also I want to clear up two other misconceptions from Panda's recent posting - First there are three volumes of "The Petty Files" that deal with Mudcrutch, not two

Also my reason why I'm not in favor of uploading rare TP&HB material onto Dime is probably more in line with what Denise posted on Dime a Dozen (message #2217534) regarding the eBay thing, again just my opinion.

I think I remember though (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that someone here uploaded the Gainesville 2006 DVD (before it was included on RDAD) onto DIME and then two weeks later found his/her pull on eBay and was pretty pissed off...anyone remember that?

More to come...

Well..If my memory serves me right exactly a year ago I was frantically trying to burn/package/mail out 15 Gainesville shows to board members here.I had obtained the show through a friend,,not through DIME.Yes,,It soon appeared up on Ebay,,,Lesson learned ,,Iwazzabadboy

Alright, it was some show from last year that went almost directly to eBay off of dime. Maybe it was the Rockpalast show from 1977 come to think of it...Oh well - that sucks Steve, about Gainesville - You were only trying to do a nice thing and then someone tries to make a quick buck.

Edit: Alright Charlie did some research for me and came up with the information that it was the 3-8-95 United Center DVD that was dimed and then ebayed. Mystery solved.

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The Rockpalast show seems to be on Ebay on a regular basis..Always someone trying to make some FAST CASH...Iwazzabadboy

Well, it's turned into one of the uglier exchanges I've seen in a while on Dime. I was going to just leave it alone, but there is a bit too much self-satisfaction and smugness for my taste.

I'm compelled to point out the hypocrisy of the situation. Aren't some of the same people that are allegedly "hoarding" - or defending the alleged "hoarding" - the same ones that are happily downloading any little gem they want that floats by on Dime or other torrent sites? Are we having our cake and eating it too? Or perhaps we all have Dime accounts just to look, but not touch?

And that "defending" begs the question - why? Could it be to curry favor with the alleged "hoarder", so that one could be brought into this mythical inner circle?

To "hoard" some of the most sought after material - while eagerly feasting on the generosity of others? What does that feel like? I know what it smells like.

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I'm compelled to point out the hypocrisy of the situation. Aren't some of the same people that are allegedly "hoarding" - or defending the alleged "hoarding" - the same ones that are happily downloading any little gem they want that floats by on Dime or other torrent sites? Are we having our cake and eating it too? Or perhaps we all have Dime accounts just to look, but not touch?

That's ridiculous..Ok..so I downloaded a Jackson Browne show last Thursday..So that means I open up my entire music collection to EVERYONE on DIME..just because I took one? As far as ratio seeding/sharing mines fine,Thank-You....Iwazzabadboy

I thought I'd post some more information on the Mudcrutch material. I'd like to thank Danny Roberts for his help on correctly identifying the song titles and dates
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The lineup on all the Mudcrutch recordings are as follows:

Tom Petty: rhythm guitar & vocal
Mike Campbell: lead guitar
Danny Roberts: bass & vocal
Benmont Tench: piano & vocal
Randall Marsh: drums
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Tape #x1
Date Rec: 1973
Location: Gainesville, Florida
Tracks: 6
Length: 21:50

[A] Don't Make It Any Easier (6:10)
[B] Lookout City (Country Girl's Gone Wild) (4:02)
[b] Lookout City (Country Girl's Gone Wild) (4:03)
[C] Down & Dirty (4:26)
[D] Come On And Save Me (4:24)
[E] Janglin' (2:48 )
[F] Really Knocked Me Out (4:06)

Comments:

This tape represents the earliest Mudcrutch recordings to have come to light and according to Danny Roberts were recorded shortly after he joined the group but prior to their laying down their "official demo" in the later winter/early spring of 1973.

These recordings are sometimes referred to as "The Mudcrutch Rehearsal Tape" or erroneously as "The Bullseye Demos" which some claim was another Gainesville band that Petty was briefly affliated with.

The recordings here are much rougher than the demos Mudcrutch would lay down on their "official demo" and feature Danny Roberts more prominently than they do Tom Petty.

A: This version of "Don't Make It Any Easier" features Tom Petty singing the middle eight and a slightly more subdued lead vocal from Danny Roberts than the later version of this song. The recording of "Don't Make It Any Easier" featuring the Tom Petty middle eight is unique to this demo tape.

B & b: [B] is the original demo recording of "Lookout City (Country Girl's Gone Wild)" taken from the demo tape itself while "b" is a mixdown of this recording of sometype possibly taken from a band member's personal copy of the recording. [B] in most everyway is superior sonically to [b] although [b] does had the added bonus of someone saying what sounds like "Love" at the start of the recording which is absent on [B]. Essentially these are slight variations of the same recording.

C-F: These recordings are unique to this demo tape and their appearance on compilations containing material from other demo tapes represent the material being dubbed by the bootlegger/compiler onto a compilation featuring material from another tape.
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Tape #x2
Date Rec: spring 1973
Location: Benmont Tench's Living Room (Gainesville, Florida)
Tracks: 8
Length: 28:21

[A] She's A Screamer (3:15)
[B] Move Over Rover (3:30)
[C] Making Some Noise (4:04)
[D] Mad Dog (3:21)
[E] Long Way From Home (4:28 )
[F] On The Street (2:10)
[G] Don't It Get Weird? (4:03)
[F] Once Upon A Time Somewhere (3:30)

Comments:

This is the demo tape that Mudcrutch recorded in Benmont Tench's living room and took with them to Los Angeles. According to Tom Petty it was recorded "live to two track". The quality of this tape when it has been properly preserved is easily the best sounding Mudcrutch material to have come to light.

A: This version of "She's A Screamer" is the original demo version found on this tape. It can be distinguished from the other version of this song recorded later as it features an entirely different vocal and is a more basic recording while the other version is far more embellished. The quality of the original demo is actually far superior to the later version.

B-D: These tracks are unique to this demo tape

E: This version of "Long Way From Home" is the original demo version found on this tape. It can be distinguished from a version apparently found on a 1977 comp reel as it is far less "busy" than that version.

G-F: These tracks are unique to this demo tape
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Tape #x3
Date Rec: 1974
Location: Shelter Church Studios (Tulsa, Oklahoma)
Tracks: 2
Length: 8:57

[A] She's A Screamer (3:14)
[B] Don't Make It Any Easier (5:43)

Comments:

These recordings are likely the only remnants we have (besides whats on "Playback" as well as "Wild Eyes" and "Hometown Blues") of material that was recorded for the unreleased Mudcrutch album. Two other titles from these sessions ("Satisfy Yourself" & "Lovin' Me") are known to exist but to this date recordings have not surfaced. "Satisfy Yourself" is said to be a fast rocker featuring Petty on lead vocals.

A: This version of "She's A Screamer" certainly dates from after the original Mudcrutch demo recording was laid down in the spring of 1973 and likely dates from this era. It is a far busier recording than the original demo as it features an entirely alternate lead vocal as well as other embellishments.

B: This version of "Don't Make It Any Easier" is comparable to the version from 1973 although it features a much better vocal by Danny Roberts as he sings the song on his own throughout. The middle eight originally featuring Tom Petty now is handled quite nicely by Roberts.
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I'll try to make some sense of the various compilations of Mudcrutch material next time. Essentially there are four main compilations although there are a few subsets of these that you should be aware of.

I also want to briefly respond to Panda's comments on DIME regarding people on the internet or elsewhere who share information regarding the recordings of various bands and are deemed "experts" by some in their particular field.

Panda seems to believe that only the band has an accurate memory as to what was recorded and when it was recorded. While in a perfect world this would be true, I've found in my years of research (specifically in researching The Beatles) that the band itself is almost always the most inaccurate of sources when it comes to dating where material comes from. I'm not saying they aren't reliable but their memory is sometimes very faulty.

This is due simply to the fact that the musicians themselves don't chronicle their own history like the fans, researchers and authors do. For example as it pertains to the "Let It Be" sessions with The Beatles, George Harrison for years has indicated that a fight with Paul McCartney caused him to leave the sessions for a few days following the January 6th session.

Sulpy who was in posession of every available tape from the "Let It Be" sessions was able to determine not only did George not quit the band on the 6th (he quit on the 10th) but it was due to a fight with John Lennon as is evidenced on his tapes.

Therefore it was the researcher/author Doug Sulpy who is by far considered by most Beatles collectors (myself included) by the nature of his research to be the definitive word on the recording history of The Beatles. (although additional kudos must be given to Mark Lewishon and John Winn)
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Panda also states that in Bruce Springsteen trading circles in the 80s "everyone was an authority" he got out of them because of this. While that is obviously his right, it is my belief that there are people on the internet in regards to Springsteen (such as those on Brucebase... http://www.brucebase.org.uk/) who have made a legitimate stab at organizing a great deal of the outtakes into chronological order and determining which outtake comes from each session.

I think the effort put forth by this site is amazing and the "experts" here although probably not on the money 100% of the time is good enough for most of us
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The same thing applies to the research myself or anyone else does on Tom Petty. We rely on copyright notations and dates, session worksheets and sometimes even freeze framing a documentary in progress in order to procure the song titles from a master tape.

For example by freeze framing the "Playback" documentary which aired on Vh1 in 1995, when a brief glimpse of the master tapes for some of the "Wildflowers" sessions are shown, a friend of mine was able to determine that mixdowns of "California", "Its Good To Be King" and "Hope You Never" were all found on the same tape.
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Finally come to think of it if we were all to subscribe to little panda's standards we would have to wait for Tom, Bruce, The Beatles and countless other bands to sit down with every tape of material they have recorded and start a running commentary on when everything was recorded, who played on what, and so on and so forth.

Not only is this event highly unlikely to happen, but it would leave collectors at this moment without any way of gauging where such material comes from. Thats why places like "Brucebase", books by authors like Doug Sulpy & John Winn on The Beatles as well as the research by those in the TP community are necessary.

While I'll be the first to admit there may be some mistakes made by all of us, over the years the researchers have gotten far more accurate at identifying what is what and hopefully this trend will continue in the future.

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Originally posted by Iwazzabadboy:

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I'm compelled to point out the hypocrisy of the situation. Aren't some of the same people that are allegedly "hoarding" - or defending the alleged "hoarding" - the same ones that are happily downloading any little gem they want that floats by on Dime or other torrent sites? Are we having our cake and eating it too? Or perhaps we all have Dime accounts just to look, but not touch?

That's ridiculous..Ok..so I downloaded a Jackson Browne show last Thursday..So that means I open up my entire music collection to EVERYONE on DIME..just because I took one? As far as ratio seeding/sharing mines fine,Thank-You....Iwazzabadboy

Ummm......a quick look at your stats over there indicates that you have downloaded over 64 gigs. Must have been one hell of a Jackson Browne show!

Really, I have no desire to start a war on this. I was just pointing out something obvious that needed to be pointed out. One cannot possibly defend the position that it's OK to freely download material that has been generously and "freely" shared by others - while at the same time "hoarding" other material that many others would like to hear or see. One cannot have it both ways - and retain any credibility at all.